01-07-2014, 07:15 PM #61
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How is saving millions a good idea, if those millions are just pocketed? Why do people care if they pay Drew, if the alternative is pocketing the money?Lighten up Francis....
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01-07-2014, 07:51 PM #66
Houston and Miami? Not ready for FA primetime at this point. Are both Pitt and Toronto tapped out for expanding their payrolls. The Mets sound like they're playing possum in hopes of driving the price down a bit. One thing we know for sure, the Twins aren't anywhere close to being tapped out.
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01-07-2014, 07:54 PM #67
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01-07-2014, 07:54 PM #68
C - Pinto - sink or swim, not going to add value here
1B - Mauer
2B - Dozier, backed up by Rosario in 2015
SS - Florimon
3B - Plouffe, backed up by Sano
LF - Willingham
CF - Scrub Player X, backed up by Hicks and later, Buxton
RF - Arcia
DH - Parmelee/Arcia/Willingham/Plouffe
Looking at that lineup, there isn't much room for improvement that doesn't involve either trading a player to make room or blocking a young player coming through the system.
01-07-2014, 07:59 PM #69
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Blogging Twins since 2007 at The Tenth Inning Stretch
01-07-2014, 08:02 PM #70
I'm all for Escobar in the platoon in place of Florimon, plus he could also fill the UTIL role- and he's only just-turned 25 (last Sunday), with a fighting chance to improve at least marginally with the bat, not 27 like Florimon is.
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01-07-2014, 08:23 PM #72
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It makes me happy that I'm not the only who who keeps mistakenly thinking/saying/typing J.D. Drew instead of Stephen Drew. I've made no secret that I think signing Drew would be a good more for the organization, and an immediate substantial upgrade (offensively). 3 years and 30 million, I'd make that deal if the Twins legitimately think they can contend within the division this season. If they are still just throwing guys against the wall and waiting for the talent to move through the system then move along, the only trouble is that unless Danny Santana has a great season in 2014 he's not going to be ready until 2015, and probably 2016 and there don't appear to be any great SS options coming available next season either.
I wont be surprised if the Twins pass on Drew, but I sure would be tickled pink if they could ink him to a deal.
01-07-2014, 08:25 PM #73
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No doubt SS is the most prime position on the field, and in the lineup, for the Twins to improve on, considering who is either currently at other positions, or should be very soon. And I have no doubt that Drew would indeed improve the over all lineup, though I feel we would slip slightly defensively.
Make no mistake, while SP has been our greatest weakness and priority, better now but still in need of improvement, (Garza!), I would be quite happy if we could also afford to bring on Drew for $8-10M for a handful of years.
But if I play devil's advocate myself, I have to ask how much real improvement you're getting by the move? Adding Drew's "better offense" at the SS position is not the same as a slugger/rbi producer, top of the leader board batting average, or bona-fide dangerous leadoff hitter.
And I am not one to suggest the Pohlads squirrel away potential payroll dollars for the sake of a mystery nest egg somewhere. But just because you have money to spend, doesn't always mean you should spend it.
Let's say we make the move for Garza and then also follow through with Drew, pretty much tapping all payroll for this season, and offering some limitation in flexibility for next season. It could make a trade move or FA signing more difficult. Also, are we positive there isn't a better SS available next year when the team may be theoretically closer to contention? Or could we trade some assets in the system to make a move for a younger, talented SS that we could control for longer as the team grows in to contention together?
Again, nothing against Drew, I'm just not sure it's a prudent move at this juncture than improves us enough to make the deal.
01-07-2014, 08:41 PM #74
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I agree with the previous two posters that this is a tough call. It's gotta be a tough call for Ryan. We need offense and there it is. But Drew is 30 and 30 is not the new 20 for modern athletes. Again, a red flag. SS is not a traditional platoon position. Might be nice to keep a Florimon/Sano left infield side, too, for when Sano comes up NLT August I'd hope. My gut says this is less about the numbers and more about the feel. I think Ryan passes and maintains the SS/2B combo that worked pretty well last year. But you guys have moved me from the No camp to the Either way camp and it wouldn't bother me as much now if Ryan does sign him.
01-07-2014, 08:44 PM #76
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With the payroll we have available, I think I'd be a little let down if we didn't get Garza or Drew. Drew would be a little cheaper and (finally) an upgrade to the offense, but I see Garza living up to his contract a little better. It seems the Twins are looking at around 3 years for both.
Who would you rather have? Also, imagine we got both. Is that an upgrade for the organization's future?
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01-07-2014, 09:08 PM #78
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It could also be that this guy has a terrible makeup and that's why he's failed to live up to expectations and stay on the field and he exasperated the organization that was banking on him for years.
I've read nothing but good from managers and players in regards to Drew. I'd rather believe those comments than the one negative comment that I've read (other than fans) from an owner that also called out his 24 year old star player before shipping him out of town.
I'm on board signing him because our shortstop situation is terrible and we should be willing to take chances. But if this guy is the picture of a bargain at shortstop, there are a lot of teams that should be after that. And since so many front offices are ignoring him with virtually nothing else left on the hitter's market - it does speak to issues beyond the numbers you are crunching, no?Well, one that jumps out is the Mets. Also the Giants, Toronto, Houston, Miami, Pittsburgh all could benefit from him.
The competition is really down to the Mets and the Red Sox.