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    25 Man Roster Projection

    There is currently a thread for the starting lineup going and some of the conversation is about who fills out the roster. I am starting a separate thread about the entire 25-man roster. We all know that whoever goes north with the club will get some chance to play and if they make good they will get more chances, so IMHO it is far more important who makes the club than exactly who is a "starter" when the season opens.

    In the starting lineup thread, there seems to be pretty good agreement on who starts. All nine spots are far from locked down, of course.

    I will assume the Twins go with 12 pitchers and 13 position players. I think that will be the way they start the season. Position players first, rationale to follow:

    Position players:

    Catcher: (2) Suzuki, Fryer
    Infield: (6) Mauer, Dozier, Florimon, Plouffe, Escobar, Bartlett
    Outfield/DH: (5) Willingham, Presley, Arcia, Mastroianni, Kubel

    When I originally put together a 25-man roster, I penciled in Pinto as the starter at catcher. Recent rumblings tell me that Suzuki will be doing a lot of catching at least to start the season and that the Twins would like Pinto to get a little more AAA time. It also helps that he has options and that a month in Rochester will give the Twins another year of his services. Another catching/25th man candidate is Chris Herrmann. He hits like a backup catcher, but does play other positions (and may try more this spring). If the Twins bring three catchers north, I'm sure the third guy will be Herrmann. I don't think they'll start the year that way, though.

    Infield: Unless the Twins make another free agent signing or trade, I think the starters and principal backup are set. I added Bartlett late because (1) he has a .795 lifetime OPS vs. left handed pitching (2) he is a veteran who can be a bench player without hurting his performance or damaging his future. (3) he might qualify as the best option to be a RH pinch hitter late in games. Bartlett could get some starts at short against lefties and with two backup infielders, Gardy might use Plouffe as a DH especially against left handers. Colabello figures here, too, but I just can't see him making the team since he really isn't a good fielder and his swing was exploited in the majors last year.

    Outfield: I originally had Parmelee making the club and still hope that he finds a way, but with a second backup infielder, there isn't room for him unless he outhits Kubel or the Twins roll the dice without a backup center fielder again. I can't see Hicks making the club out of spring training, but I hope he is back by June and moves Presley/Mastro into a backup role. I included Mastroianni as the backup outfielder because he can play all three positions, has base stealing speed and hits right handed, making him a potential platoon partner for Presley.

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    Pitchers: (12) Nolasco, Correia, Pelfrey, Hughes, Diamond, Worley, Swarzak, Duensing, Thielbar, Burton, Fien, Perkins.

    Brief comment: I included six starters (one stashed in bullpen) and assumed Deduno starts the season on the DL.

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    Starting lineup (vs. RH pitcher):

    Presley (CF)
    Dozier (2B)
    Mauer (1B)
    Willingham (LF)
    Arcia (RF)
    Plouffe (3B)
    Kubel (DH)
    Suzuki (C)
    Florimon (SS)

    vs. LH Starter (alternate catcher):

    Mastroianni (CF)
    Dozier (2B)
    Mauer (1B)
    Willingham (LF)
    Plouffe (DH)
    Arcia (RF)
    Bartlett (SS)
    Escobar (3B)
    Fryer (C)

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    I think they might challenge 100 losses if this is this the line-up. Not that putting the prospects in will result in any more wins, but it would at least provide development for the future. Pinto needs be there until he proves he shouldn't be. Hicks should be there also, unless he once again proves he shouldn't be. Herrmann instead of Fryer. Kubel and Bartlett need to earn spots, even more so since I believe that neither is the 40 man roster. Plus I think Parmalee should get one last chance to prove himself.

    The teams 40 man roster has a lot of dead weight on it, meaning the players won't bring much in trades but might get interest if they are DFA'd. They are role players and roster filler on good teams, not starters, so I say try to trade some of them or DFA them. Which shouldn't be a problem, since these players have three straight 95+ loss seasons to show for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post

    Position players:

    Catcher: (2) Suzuki, Fryer
    Infield: (6) Mauer, Dozier, Florimon, Plouffe, Escobar, Bartlett
    Outfield/DH: (5) Willingham, Presley, Arcia, Mastroianni, Kubel
    Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post
    Pitchers: (12) Nolasco, Correia, Pelfrey, Hughes, Diamond, Worley, Swarzak, Duensing, Thielbar, Burton, Fien, Perkins.
    As mnfireman said, this club will not compete. Add Pinto, Sano, Hicks, Tonkin, Ibarra for the ones in bold up there, and you got a better team. Still I expect a couple more players before ST. And if you replace the underlined players with better players (or keep someone like Presley on the bench), then you might have a competitive team.
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    I can't imagine they will keep that many redundant infielders and not keep Parmelee who has OF and 1B flexibility.

    Or, more likely, a 13th pitcher.

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    Does anyone think Diamond might be on the outside looking in with the offseason acquisitions of Sean Gilmartin and Kris Johnson?
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    @Tibs
    Gilmartin isn't on the 40 man and he has little talent. However, if this team actually likes Kris Johnson, Diamond could be in trouble. The thing is Johnson is a 29 year old Scott Diamond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    I can't imagine they will keep that many redundant infielders and not keep Parmelee who has OF and 1B flexibility.

    Or, more likely, a 13th pitcher.
    The problem with Parmelee is he hits from the same side as the likely starters at first and RF. I could see getting another bat to spell the starters at those positions. But it would make more sense if it was a right-handed bat. Colabello qualifies, but I'm not sure he's the answer. They've talked about signing Reynolds, but he can't play OF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danchat View Post
    @Tibs
    Gilmartin isn't on the 40 man and he has little talent. However, if this team actually likes Kris Johnson, Diamond could be in trouble. The thing is Johnson is a 29 year old Scott Diamond.
    Curious about your comment. Presumably, a former first-round pick has some talent. I understand he was hurt last year and struggled. That doesn't say as much about his talent as his injury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    Curious about your comment. Presumably, a former first-round pick has some talent. I understand he was hurt last year and struggled. That doesn't say as much about his talent as his injury.
    Agreed. Gilmartin has plenty of talent. Maybe not high end, #1 ace talent, but what are there like a dozen of those men in all the world at any given time? Gilmartin was a nice get for an extraneous piece (Dumit).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    The problem with Parmelee is he hits from the same side as the likely starters at first and RF. I could see getting another bat to spell the starters at those positions. But it would make more sense if it was a right-handed bat. Colabello qualifies, but I'm not sure he's the answer. They've talked about signing Reynolds, but he can't play OF.
    That depends on a variety of factors, but you're right that being left-handed hurts him. In Ryan's interview with Mason he mentions him as a guy that needs to step forward, which is hard to do at AAA.

    To me, he probably is in Mastro's spot and one of the infielders is replaced by another pitcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe A. Preusser View Post
    Agreed. Gilmartin has plenty of talent. Maybe not high end, #1 ace talent, but what are there like a dozen of those men in all the world at any given time? Gilmartin was a nice get for an extraneous piece (Dumit).
    Even Passan called him a "fringe" prospect. He's got a lot to prove before anyone should be worrying about him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    That depends on a variety of factors, but you're right that being left-handed hurts him. In Ryan's interview with Mason he mentions him as a guy that needs to step forward, which is hard to do at AAA.

    To me, he probably is in Mastro's spot and one of the infielders is replaced by another pitcher.
    I hope we don't need 13 pitchers. Hopefully Nolasco and Hughes can eat some innings and prevent that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmathewson View Post
    I hope we don't need 13 pitchers. Hopefully Nolasco and Hughes can eat some innings and prevent that.
    At this point, we could have as many as three long relievers in the pen because of 40 man issues. So who knows.

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    I really doubt the Twins break camp with more than 12 pitchers. They don't have post-surgical arms to protect, they have 5 off-days and they bought lots of innings with their free agent acquisitions. I'm old and I remember when 9 was the standard number of pitchers, then 10, then 11 and now 12. In a sport that changes slowly, it is amazing how the role of pitchers has changed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLeviathan View Post
    At this point, we could have as many as three long relievers in the pen because of 40 man issues. So who knows.
    As things stand today, Ryan will have to do something with his out-of-options guys. I presume that somebody will get dealt.

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    I expect one or two of the out of options guys will be dealt or released at the end of spring training, my best guess for release is Diamond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stringer bell View Post
    There is currently a thread for the starting lineup going and some of the conversation is about who fills out the roster. I am starting a separate thread about the entire 25-man roster. We all know that whoever goes north with the club will get some chance to play and if they make good they will get more chances, so IMHO it is far more important who makes the club than exactly who is a "starter" when the season opens.

    In the starting lineup thread, there seems to be pretty good agreement on who starts. All nine spots are far from locked down, of course.

    I will assume the Twins go with 12 pitchers and 13 position players. I think that will be the way they start the season. Position players first, rationale to follow:

    Position players:

    Catcher: (2) Suzuki, Fryer
    Infield: (6) Mauer, Dozier, Florimon, Plouffe, Escobar, Bartlett
    Outfield/DH: (5) Willingham, Presley, Arcia, Mastroianni, Kubel

    When I originally put together a 25-man roster, I penciled in Pinto as the starter at catcher. Recent rumblings tell me that Suzuki will be doing a lot of catching at least to start the season and that the Twins would like Pinto to get a little more AAA time. It also helps that he has options and that a month in Rochester will give the Twins another year of his services. Another catching/25th man candidate is Chris Herrmann. He hits like a backup catcher, but does play other positions (and may try more this spring). If the Twins bring three catchers north, I'm sure the third guy will be Herrmann. I don't think they'll start the year that way, though.

    Infield: Unless the Twins make another free agent signing or trade, I think the starters and principal backup are set. I added Bartlett late because (1) he has a .795 lifetime OPS vs. left handed pitching (2) he is a veteran who can be a bench player without hurting his performance or damaging his future. (3) he might qualify as the best option to be a RH pinch hitter late in games. Bartlett could get some starts at short against lefties and with two backup infielders, Gardy might use Plouffe as a DH especially against left handers. Colabello figures here, too, but I just can't see him making the team since he really isn't a good fielder and his swing was exploited in the majors last year.

    Outfield: I originally had Parmelee making the club and still hope that he finds a way, but with a second backup infielder, there isn't room for him unless he outhits Kubel or the Twins roll the dice without a backup center fielder again. I can't see Hicks making the club out of spring training, but I hope he is back by June and moves Presley/Mastro into a backup role. I included Mastroianni as the backup outfielder because he can play all three positions, has base stealing speed and hits right handed, making him a potential platoon partner for Presley.
    If you believe that Kubel, Mastroianni, and Bartlett make the club, who do you propose to be DFA'd since all three are not on the 40 man roster. Certainly, Parmelee and Colabello are candidates, but I have a hard time believing both would be.

    I think that Kubel has a good chance to make the club and the other two will stay in AAA as replacements for injury or performance. IMHO, Parmelee gets the call to settle once and for all whether he belongs in MLB.

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